I wouldn't advise walking up to a group of young men in Detroit and throwing that around.LOL. IF THE PRES CAN USE IT, IT MUST BE OK.
Might find out how Detroit got one of it's nicknames.
I wouldn't advise walking up to a group of young men in Detroit and throwing that around.LOL. IF THE PRES CAN USE IT, IT MUST BE OK.
The flag is a symbol - nothing more, nothing less. The thing I find most compelling is that those who insist that the flag represents racism and hate is adamant that ALL people accept their interpretation of the flag without question or digression. Believe it or not, there are fine well-adjusted people who see the flag as a symbol of southern pride and heritage - a representation of what it means to be from the south. God, guns, and country.
But NO! We must ALL conform to one side of the argument - the least accommodating and most aggressive side. There's no room in their minds to accept that not everyone who flies a flag of the Confederacy is racist and full of hate. Indeed, most of those southern people are NOT as described.
But... you know... fuck the facts. PC for you and me!
You're not from the South, are you. If you were from the South, you wouldn't ask the question.Yes, but the fact is, the flag represent the war that was fought over slavery, and to fly it over a government building shouldn't be done.
What is the southern pride that you talk of? Slavery? what? everyone says southern pride, but they don't say what they are proud of?
You're not from the South, are you. If you were from the South, you wouldn't ask the question.
The South does represent rebellion, but not necessarily simply for the right to hold slaves. We here in the South rebel against northern convention. As I said, God, guns and country. We would rather go to a tractor pull than a Broadway show. We take our huntin' and fishin' serious around here. Our kids grow up learning how to shoot a gun, kill a deer, and respect the life they take in the process. We are polite to our neighbors, and we greet strangers with a smile and a wave. We disdain city life as constricting and counter-cultural.
Here in the South, we like the simple life. None of that hustle and bustle for us; we like sitting on our porch drinking sweet tea (or beer) and talking to our families. There's a reason we have the big wrap-around porches on our traditional Southern homes - I've got 500 sq. ft. of front porch myself, complete with a bar and a table & chairs. It's where we have cookouts with our friends and neighbors - and we know how to have a cookout. My wife's birthday cookout included a whole hog that we cooked for 8 hours for the 40-50 people that came to celebrate.
We're proud of our warm weather. Hell, we dig pits in a field, fill them with water, and drive our 4-wheel-drive trucks and 4-wheelers through them. If it's rained recently, we go muddin' in those same trucks in vacant farm fields. If we're a little too warm, we put a tarp in the back of our 4X4 pickup and fill the bed with water for a makeshift swimming pool. If needed, we'll take that same truck, drive it up the road, and pull your pitiful Northern sedan out of the muddy ditch you drove it into. And we'll offer you a ride, a drink, some warm southern cooking, or a prayer before you head off.
And no one retires and heads north.
The way we see Northerners (true or not) is sitting in their mid-town apartment surrounded by a lot of traffic and asphalt. They walk their streets, but don't talk to others. Friendliness is actually greeting with suspicion. They prefer coffee or unsweet tea to sweet tea and wine to beer. They go to stage shows and the orchestra and reject the great outdoors. Their life is cold (both physically and emotionally).
I think to boil it down, we here in the South are just proud that we're not Northerners. Not that we once owned slaves, not that we once rebelled against the Union (although that may still linger in there somewhere). We're just proud that we're not popsicle-brained, rude, indoor-loving Northerners.
Yes, but the fact is, the flag represent the war that was fought over slavery, and to fly it over a government building shouldn't be done.
What is the southern pride that you talk of? Slavery? what? everyone says southern pride, but they don't say what they are proud of?
You, too 9...Well stated, ScolaI.
You're not from the South, are you. If you were from the South, you wouldn't ask the question.
The South does represent rebellion, but not necessarily simply for the right to hold slaves. We here in the South rebel against northern convention. As I said, God, guns and country. We would rather go to a tractor pull than a Broadway show. We take our huntin' and fishin' serious around here. Our kids grow up learning how to shoot a gun, kill a deer, and respect the life they take in the process. We are polite to our neighbors, and we greet strangers with a smile and a wave. We disdain city life as constricting and counter-cultural.
Here in the South, we like the simple life. None of that hustle and bustle for us; we like sitting on our porch drinking sweet tea (or beer) and talking to our families. There's a reason we have the big wrap-around porches on our traditional Southern homes - I've got 500 sq. ft. of front porch myself, complete with a bar and a table & chairs. It's where we have cookouts with our friends and neighbors - and we know how to have a cookout. My wife's birthday cookout included a whole hog that we cooked for 8 hours for the 40-50 people that came to celebrate.
We're proud of our warm weather. Hell, we dig pits in a field, fill them with water, and drive our 4-wheel-drive trucks and 4-wheelers through them. If it's rained recently, we go muddin' in those same trucks in vacant farm fields. If we're a little too warm, we put a tarp in the back of our 4X4 pickup and fill the bed with water for a makeshift swimming pool. If needed, we'll take that same truck, drive it up the road, and pull your pitiful Northern sedan out of the muddy ditch you drove it into. And we'll offer you a ride, a drink, some warm southern cooking, or a prayer before you head off.
And no one retires and heads north.
The way we see Northerners (true or not) is sitting in their mid-town apartment surrounded by a lot of traffic and asphalt. They walk their streets, but don't talk to others. Friendliness is actually greeting with suspicion. They prefer coffee or unsweet tea to sweet tea and wine to beer. They go to stage shows and the orchestra and reject the great outdoors. Their life is cold (both physically and emotionally).
I think to boil it down, we here in the South are just proud that we're not Northerners. Not that we once owned slaves, not that we once rebelled against the Union (although that may still linger in there somewhere). We're just proud that we're not popsicle-brained, rude, indoor-loving Northerners.
You, too 9...
Two of our Southerners have told you what it means to them and have showed you are way off the mark on what it means to them.
As a Northerner, from the many Southern people I have met over the last fifty years, I have never thought Southern Pride means they are proud of the slavery days, it has always meant their fine hospitality, great cooking and a good trait of helping neighbors out in times of need. That's just my opinion as an outsider of those many people I have had the opportunity to meet.
I was thinking you were, but I wasn't sure if you were NYC or NY State. That's why I pointed out the small sample size, there has to be some good ones in there somewhere!Hey 9, I'm a NYer...
But after I retire...I won't be living there any more...
But that doesn't make you right either.Then both would be wrong, different people have different experiences coming from the south.
Just because you are from the south doesn't mean it is going to be that way.
Hey 9, I'm a NYer...
But after I retire...I won't be living there any more...
But that doesn't make you right either.
Maybe right for where you were/are and who you were in contact with, but not right for the entirety of the region. This applies to my experiences as well.
As stated earlier, the north doesn't get a free pass. There are people up there equally as racist as any stereotypical southern kkk member - they just don't wear sheets and go to meetings.
You don't need it. You don't want it. But you're not everyone in the South. And I can promise you that people who fly that flag are more concerned with Southern Pride and not slavery.But that's the point that I am making.....
Everyone is saying that the south is hospitality, and tea, but there is snother side to things too.
Don't get me wrong, I do love the south, my dad came from the south. Our family is there....
But I don't need the flag to show that I have southern pride. You can tell that by my character.
You don't need it. You don't want it. But you're not everyone in the South. And I can promise you that people who fly that flag are more concerned with Southern Pride and not slavery.
I quoted this post, but it goes to a lot of what was written. This was why I brought up the Nazi Flag. You're not German are you Scolai? Many fly that flag not as a sign of hate but as a sign of German pride. We must everyone accept that that flag is all about hate. Believe it or not there are fine well adjusted people who see that flag as a symbol of German pride and heritage - a representation of what it means to be German.The flag is a symbol - nothing more, nothing less. The thing I find most compelling is that those who insist that the flag represents racism and hate is adamant that ALL people accept their interpretation of the flag without question or digression. Believe it or not, there are fine well-adjusted people who see the flag as a symbol of southern pride and heritage - a representation of what it means to be from the south. God, guns, and country.
But NO! We must ALL conform to one side of the argument - the least accommodating and most aggressive side. There's no room in their minds to accept that not everyone who flies a flag of the Confederacy is racist and full of hate. Indeed, most of those southern people are NOT as described.
But... you know... fuck the facts. PC for you and me!