New blue urethane hammer

[Balldoctor]

My gosh, is this a bowling forum? Conversation and discussion, where is the report button?

[wannabearightie]

answer me this, i understand the mystique and legend status of the original blue hammer, but that was technology of more than 20 years ago. Why do people desire that ball so much over newer stuff unless literally they are hooking too much to throw current stuff?

The new hammer will outhit the old school one, probably roll better on today's conditions, so why handicap yourself just to throw a legendary ball. Even brett wolfe, who we all know has a place in his heart for that ball doesn't throw it when he can throw reactive..

for me the lanes are hooking too much. I want old style urethane. Im not so sure about the new hammer hitting harder. (its not the same weight block!!!!) has the vibe revolutionized the world of bowling with that weight block? Nope. Its just another shot in the dark.

[DallasHusker]

for me the lanes are hooking too much. I want old style urethane. Im not so sure about the new hammer hitting harder. (its not the same weight block!!!!) has the vibe revolutionized the world of bowling with that weight block? Nope. Its just another shot in the dark.

so in other words, before even trying it, you're dismissing it because it's not the same ball that was out there in the 80's, therefore it can't possibly be as good. gotcha.

[.7%]

Im not saying anything because of the weight block. I think most the balls today go through the pins better because they store energy for that point better. Yes, I sure do think the Vibe weight block has proven to be amazing, not necessarily revolutionary, but I really do believe that this cover with this advanced block over the ball from the 80's will be superior.

Just because a ball is a legend does not mean it will always be a star amongst the other options. Technology changes everything

[wannabearightie]

Dallasfortworthhusker, yes i will dismiss until i see the ball thrown by a human. Also, i dont try anything, i just do it.
.7, a modified urethane shell means to me that, its gonna hook more. I really dont need hook.

Its a urethane vibe. Not a hammer!!!!!!!!!

[WALKER]

It will still leave corner pins, as does every ball... Does it really matter??

[.7%]

It's absolutely a Hammer. Not exact Vibe core, so not a Vibe, and Hammer is their company name so they can call it whatever they want. They took that ball and created something similar to today's standards, whether or not you like it. It's not going to hook anywhere near the Vibes, and will go through pins better than the original urethane hammer.

[.7%]

Like I said before, if you just don't want it or think it will work and prefer the older one, that's up to you, but don't knock it because it's called Blue Hammer, because that's exactly what it is

[wannabearightie]

So its a hammer without the original weight block, and its a hammer without the original shell because the shell has been changed (modified). So what makes it a hammer? Did they run out of new names? Do they even own any of the patents form the original hammer other than the name "hammer"?

[jmf300]

Like any ball ever created some will like it some won't. Personally I feel a urethane ball with a more dynamic core would be better. Wannabe rips it up pretty hard and a urethane ball with a dynamic weightblock won't work for his game. Personally I like the urethane reaction shape but the weaker weightblocks don't hit hard enough for my rev challenged game. A Natural with a nano weightblock or a blue hammer with a black widow block would be in my bag ASAP. But I'm sure R&D has played around with that idea and in their opinion it may not work as well as a ball with a weaker shell and a weaker block. Maybe the vibe block rolled better than one they made with a widow block? Anybody on here know Steve Zabina at Ebonite call him up and ask him about it. I would be curious to know the answer as well.

[.7%]

They are calling it Blue Hammer, that's the name of this one. They never said anywehre it is the remake of the one 25 years ago. They can call this ball whatever they want, even using the name Hammer in it, because it's their company. It is an idea based off of that ball, but is not intended to BE that ball. They could have called it something else, but this is a very fitting name for it.

And with regards to this specific block being used, Jeff Ussery would have those answers for anyone. Just email jussery@hammerbowling.com and he'll get right back to you. Personally, I think the lower flare cores with Urethane covers is probably a better matchup to allow bowlers to be more direct to the pocket, and not having a core that wants to turn over so hard with a cover that rolls pretty even

[Balldoctor]

Most of us know Steve Szabina, but going to Jeff will get answers as well. Oh and btw, it is Jeff's birthday.

[Wolfemanor2]

I would venture to say that this is a way to capture another segment of the market. The tournament level player may be looking for a new "wedge" or two to put in his bag and Hammer is trying to fill that gap. It seems like many people on here are thinking of getting a new one to compare to the old one, which is still a sale. In addition, their reviews may encourage others to buy as they may say something to the effect of " it's a good ball, as it really helps me when they are severely wet/dry, or dry, or f'in scorched!"

There's nothing wrong with working on a niche product to compliment a larger product line. As a manufacturer it makes sense to try to fill in gaps with your own product line to give the buyer less reason to look elsewhere. In my opinion the new hammer was made partly to capitalize on nostalgia, and partly as a test to see if "arsenal" type bowlers will express an interest in equipment that's not as high on the technological ladder.

Tyson is right about my blue hammer. I use it because I feel it's the right tool for the job. I don't throw it in league as it's not that effective, and in many local tournaments it's not as useful either. But for many of the tournaments I travel to, it's much more beneficial for me as it mitigates, rather than enhances, back end reaction. As of right now I'm still able to get the 7 pin out with it. Once that benefit starts to disappear, that is when I know it's time to change to stronger equipment that will carry better, but come with a higher risk/reward ratio.

[laddog54]

I would venture to say that this is a way to capture another segment of the market. The tournament level player may be looking for a new "wedge" or two to put in his bag and Hammer is trying to fill that gap. It seems like many people on here are thinking of getting a new one to compare to the old one, which is still a sale. In addition, their reviews may encourage others to buy as they may say something to the effect of " it's a good ball, as it really helps me when they are severely wet/dry, or dry, or f'in scorched!"

There's nothing wrong with working on a niche product to compliment a larger product line. As a manufacturer it makes sense to try to fill in gaps with your own product line to give the buyer less reason to look elsewhere. In my opinion the new hammer was made partly to capitalize on nostalgia, and partly as a test to see if "arsenal" type bowlers will express an interest in equipment that's not as high on the technological ladder.

Tyson is right about my blue hammer. I use it because I feel it's the right tool for the job. I don't throw it in league as it's not that effective, and in many local tournaments it's not as useful either. But for many of the tournaments I travel to, it's much more beneficial for me as it mitigates, rather than enhances, back end reaction. As of right now I'm still able to get the 7 pin out with it. Once that benefit starts to disappear, that is when I know it's time to change to stronger equipment that will carry better, but come with a higher risk/reward ratio.

[cdvon]

I would venture to say that this is a way to capture another segment of the market. The tournament level player may be looking for a new "wedge" or two to put in his bag and Hammer is trying to fill that gap. It seems like many people on here are thinking of getting a new one to compare to the old one, which is still a sale. In addition, their reviews may encourage others to buy as they may say something to the effect of " it's a good ball, as it really helps me when they are severely wet/dry, or dry, or f'in scorched!"

There's nothing wrong with working on a niche product to compliment a larger product line. As a manufacturer it makes sense to try to fill in gaps with your own product line to give the buyer less reason to look elsewhere. In my opinion the new hammer was made partly to capitalize on nostalgia, and partly as a test to see if "arsenal" type bowlers will express an interest in equipment that's not as high on the technological ladder.

Tyson is right about my blue hammer. I use it because I feel it's the right tool for the job. I don't throw it in league as it's not that effective, and in many local tournaments it's not as useful either. But for many of the tournaments I travel to, it's much more beneficial for me as it mitigates, rather than enhances, back end reaction. As of right now I'm still able to get the 7 pin out with it. Once that benefit starts to disappear, that is when I know it's time to change to stronger equipment that will carry better, but come with a higher risk/reward ratio.

Agree. Well said.