View Full Version : USBC we have a problem...!
Mr. Tullos
12-16-2009, 07:49 AM
Not sure if this is a :tullos: but I saw it on pba.com forum...
Thoughts anyone!
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20091206/COLUMNIST/912061072
Interesting article, indeed.
Bill Herald is one of our own, here on allBowling.com. Bet you didn't know that.
And I bet he doesn't know it, but I'm the guy that built RobertMushtareTheGreat.com, haha. I use quote a few of his articles on that site.
I hope he's referring to AB as one of the sites that is critical of the bowl.com censorship.
gumpbowl
12-16-2009, 10:54 PM
Wow
NOOKERS
12-17-2009, 11:34 AM
Mr. Herald has beaten this poor horse to death on both the old bowl.com and now on pba.com.......it gets to be a bit nauseating after a while.....:banghead:
sevenpin76
12-17-2009, 11:50 AM
Maybe I'm on the wrong mindset, but I feel that I'm one of the people that goes to league, bowls, I happen to run the league I'm in so I have a little more responsibility, pay my $18 per year to USBC ($8 to DBA and $10 to nationals), and I simply go about my business. I don't really think what goes on in Arlington affects my world very much. Yes I believe they have many faults, but I also realize that my opinions are going to have little impact on them. My only contact with them is the one-two times per year that I have to email them when something comes up in my league, and of course going to bowl nationals.
I guess what I'm saying is, is what they do with their message boards or whatever else really any big deal? I do believe they have alot of faults and inconsistenties (especially in their rules department). But I've learned to accept that for what it is and not worry about it. We only give them $18 per year ($1.50 per month). All of our fees when we bowl league either go to the house, secretary, or back to the bowlers as prize fund. It's not like our leagues are paying them every week. Just my 2 cents, but I think people get too fired up over nothing sometimes and this seems to be one of those cases.
Maybe we can direct everyone to this site and we can set up some b...h about USBC threads here!!! j/k
evelynp
12-17-2009, 01:29 PM
Guess it is their business what they allow but it is everyone's business if they go there and read or post. Only they can control that. But sometimes those negative responses allow an organization to grow or change for the better.
AlwaysWrite
12-17-2009, 07:20 PM
Mr. Herald has beaten this poor horse to death on both the old bowl.com and now on pba.com.......it gets to be a bit nauseating after a while.....:banghead:
Dear NOOKERS:
In my opinion, CENSORSHIP gets to be a bit nauseating after a while.
BILL HERALD a k a AlwaysWrite (in these forums), Mighty Fish (in PBA.com)
AlwaysWrite
12-17-2009, 07:24 PM
I do believe they have alot of faults and inconsistenties (especially in their rules department).
It's certainly true that USBC has a lot of fauls and inconsistencies -- ESPECIALLY IN THE RULES DEPARTMENT and with regard to the national organization's so-called System of Justice.
AlwaysWrite
12-17-2009, 07:27 PM
Guess it is their business what they allow but it is everyone's business if they go there and read or post. Only they can control that. But sometimes those negative responses allow an organization to grow or change for the better.
Actually, one of the key points of my column was that USBC's Pete Tredwell CAME INTO THE PBA.COM FORUMS and ASKED for posters' opinions, pro and con, about USBC.
What he got was about 5 postive comments and well over 100 negative comments, so he wound up DELETING HIS OWN THREAD. And he really took issue (as the column indicates) when one of the PBA.com moderators issued a post that really slammed USBC.
wannabearightie
12-18-2009, 10:43 AM
sounds to me like, the problem with the other sites
is the people on the site itself. keep those out of this
site and things will be ok!!!!
sounds to me like, the problem with the other sites
is the people on the site itself. keep those out of this
site and things will be ok!!!!
Isn't that where alwayswrite came from?
AlwaysWrite
12-21-2009, 10:06 AM
Isn't that where alwayswrite came from?
Dear JMH:
By the same token, does that perhaps does that mean that (according to you) it might be improper -- or negative in some ways(s) -- for some members of this forum to "spread their wings" and participate in OTHER forums as well?
Dear JMH:
By the same token, does that perhaps does that mean that (according to you) it might be improper -- or negative in some ways(s) -- for some members of this forum to "spread their wings" and participate in OTHER forums as well?
Dear AlwaysWrite...I do participate in other forums....ballreviews...PBA....and at one time Bowl.com....
WALKER
12-22-2009, 07:58 AM
Dear AlwaysWrite...I do participate in other forums....ballreviews...PBA....and at one time Bowl.com....
PBA???
:bs:
PBA???
:bs:
Really....have around 2500 post there...I usually post within central region....
AlwaysWrite
12-22-2009, 08:34 AM
Isn't that where alwayswrite came from?
Dear JMH:
So if you participate in other forums, what is the significance (if any) of your quoted comment about me?
Dear JMH:
So if you participate in other forums, what is the significance (if any) of your quoted comment about me?
No significance at all....just figured you wanted attention....:moonpie:
AlwaysWrite
12-22-2009, 03:42 PM
No significance at all....just figured you wanted attention....:moonpie:
My column is drawing all kind of attention, thank you.
BowlTX
12-22-2009, 10:01 PM
My column is drawing all kind of attention, thank you.
Over the years I have read your columns and I cannot think of one that has had any positive spin to it. You complained about your local association forever, you complain about the USBC all the time, you complain about bowling in general. Just once find as positive bowling topic. You wore out Mushtare like you personally had to fork over your ring to him.
I have complaints with USBC, but I don't think a forum is the proper venue. I deal directly with them.
As a "journalist" your job is to report fact not incite the public. As we bowlers try to grow our sport and make viable our reporting to non-bowlers as well, we should show a little more respect.
Dear BowlTX,
Always will probably reply with he's a "columnist" not a "journalist".
I too went down this same road with him a couple of years ago... I have learned to let the "columnist" from Florida toot his horn and spew his venom with little or no comment from me...
kinkaid7477
12-22-2009, 11:42 PM
My column is drawing all kind of attention, thank you.
so who do you write for?
i'd like to read your column to form an opinion about your work,
send a link,
AlwaysWrite
12-23-2009, 02:07 PM
Over the years I have read your columns and I cannot think of one that has had any positive spin to it. You complained about your local association forever, you complain about the USBC all the time, you complain about bowling in general. Just once find as positive bowling topic. You wore out Mushtare like you personally had to fork over your ring to him.
I have complaints with USBC, but I don't think a forum is the proper venue. I deal directly with them.
As a "journalist" your job is to report fact not incite the public. As we bowlers try to grow our sport and make viable our reporting to non-bowlers as well, we should show a little more respect.
Dear BowlTX:
In response to your criticism of me and my writing:
* Obviously, you haven't read all of my columns. Most of them promote tournaments and accomplishments of bowlers in my area, and only a relatively small percentage of them are (as you imply) critical of my local association, USBC and the game in general.
* You assert that I have complained about my local association forever. Well, I don't believe you have ever lived or bowled within the jurisdiction of my local association, but if you had, you would likely have been critical, too -- unless you simply chose to ignore the association completely. Keep in mind that on no less than SEVEN occasions, various ABC presidents appointed fact-finding committees (consisting of national ABC directors and high-level officials) to investigate various wrongdoings within my association, and in one several-year stretch, the association president, back-to-back association secretaries, a vice president and other officials WERE SUSPENDED.
* I feel that any and all "complaints" I have regarding the USBC (and formerly the ABC) are not only TOTALLY JUSTIFIED, but they are TOTALLY DOCUMENTED as well. And I can state, without fear of reprisal, that on MANY, MANY occasions, the national organization has not followed or enforced its own rules and that its System of Justice absolutely stinks!
* As a journalist, I DO report facts. So regarding my recent column about the USBC bowl.com censorship, DO YOU CLAIM THAT THERE WAS ANY MISREPRESENTATION OF FACTS? And if you read the column thoroughly, you will note that OTHERS' comments and opinions are actually more "prominent" than my own.
* As for respect, you don't seem to respect me (as is your right), just as I don't have a great deal of respect for certain bowling officials and entities (as is my right).
* As for Mushtare, regardless of what you say, UNLIKE OTHERS, I NEVER, ever called him a liar or a cheater and never suggested ways that he may have sidestepped the rules. I do feel that some of his alleged "witnesses" were not very reliable and forthright, based on their own comments, and I think it's ridiculous that they had to be given anonymity and immunity before testifying -- on HONOR SCORE SITUATIONS, no less. But I am one of the few that has repeatedly stated that IF USBC found Mushtare's scores legitimate, why did the national organization give him such limited publity for such feats (that may never again be duplicated)? And why, for instance, doesn't Storm Products promote the fact that Mushtare used their equipment in rolling such fantastic scores?
Care to offer a rebuttal?
AlwaysWrite
12-23-2009, 02:09 PM
Always will probably reply with he's a "columnist" not a "journalist".
Dear DLF:
You may call me either a columnist or journalist, if you so choose. Or you can opt to refer to me with some name-calling, if you so choose.
AlwaysWrite
12-23-2009, 02:10 PM
sarasota herald journal
Actually, it's the Sarasota (Fla.) Herald-Tribune. And the website is heraldtribune.com
http://www.robertmushtarethegreat.com/
One of my favorite website I've built. We shall never forget.
Dear DLF:
You may call me either a columnist or journalist, if you so choose. Or you can opt to refer to me with some name-calling, if you so choose.
Or, I can opt to not.
AlwaysWrite
12-25-2009, 02:21 PM
http://www.robertmushtarethegreat.com/
One of my favorite website I've built. We shall never forget.
Dear tony:
Certainly a great Web site ... and thanks so much for using so many of my articles on the subject.
AlwaysWrite
12-25-2009, 02:24 PM
Or, I can opt to not.
Dear dlf:
As you should know, I respect whatever posting "options" you choose (or don't choose).
And regardless of what you think of me, I sincerely wish you and yours the very best through the holiday season and beyond.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
C.A. Hooker
12-25-2009, 03:09 PM
Do you have to respond to absolutely every post?
AlwaysWrite
12-25-2009, 06:12 PM
Do you have to respond to absolutely every post?
Dear C.A. Hooker:
I must not respond to every post because I haven't even reached 250 posts yet.
Compare that to a number of other posters (including yourself) who have FAR greater post totals than I have. So doesn't it seem that others "respond" more often than I do. [I must therefore assume that you simply don't like a number of my posts.]
Dear C.A. Hooker:
I must not respond to every post because I haven't even reached 250 posts yet.
Compare that to a number of other posters (including yourself) who have FAR greater post totals than I have. So doesn't it seem that others "respond" more often than I do. [I must therefore assume that you simply don't like a number of my posts.]
Dear alwayswrite:
Some of us have been here since 2003. Therefor will have a greater number of posts.
Happy New Year!:woot:
DallasHusker
12-26-2009, 10:59 AM
:deadhorse:
kinkaid7477
12-26-2009, 01:22 PM
Dear DLF:
You may call me either a columnist or journalist, if you so choose. Or you can opt to refer to me with some name-calling, if you so choose.
there is actually a difference, but he could be both depending on the article,
after reading one of his articles, i'd say he is a columnist.
a journalist sticks to facts without stating his opinion.
If you are writing as a columnist, you are stating your opinion and using facts like stats, quotes and other means to back it up,
AlwaysWrite
12-26-2009, 02:15 PM
Dear alwayswrite:
Some of us have been here since 2003. Therefor will have a greater number of posts.
Dear JMH:
Even if I post here for six years (as you have), I doubt I'd be anywhere near your current post total ... but that isn't meant to be a critical comment in any way.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
AlwaysWrite
12-26-2009, 02:16 PM
there is actually a difference, but he could be both depending on the article,
after reading one of his articles, i'd say he is a columnist.
a journalist sticks to facts without stating his opinion.
If you are writing as a columnist, you are stating your opinion and using facts like stats, quotes and other means to back it up,
... so someone could be both a columnist and a journalist ... and I could correctly be called either (or both).
kinkaid7477
12-26-2009, 03:36 PM
... so someone could be both a columnist and a journalist ... and I could correctly be called either (or both).
yes,
it depends on how you are writing,
for me, i'm a journalist; i don't put my opinions in the articles,
i was just clarifying the difference,
bdenison
12-26-2009, 07:55 PM
still waiting on the obligatory response from AlwaysWrite
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